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Written by John Speck   
Thursday, 08 May 2008
8:15 - A few early arrivals are having coffee and chatting. My computer is on the projector. I will be live blogging the event and, perhaps, serving as a rapid-response information resource. In previous workshops, I have searched the web for resources germane to the topic of discussion and displayed them in real time using a projector. If I’m good, I can keep up with the conversation.

8:30 - Speaker Ken Payne arrives and looks quizzically at the projection. Here’s Robert Leaver to explain. Need to ‘work the room’ so I’ll post and add more later.

8:55 - Well, we’re only about 5 minutes behind schedule so far, but there’s precious little evidence that we’ll get going any time soon. Around 25 people so far, more filing in.

9:10 - Just demo’d the Providence & Beyond social network we made with Joomla. Amanda "funkEpunkEmonkE" Suzzi did a great job. Now Fred Presley is introducing the speaker.

9:15 - Speaker “Sometimes my mind works so hard that it stops. I call it “therapeutic depression.”" Takes a break with 19th century translations of Stoic philosophy.

Reference: Martha Nussbaum

Greeks believed in healthy body, healthy mind, healthy life in the community. Can we be personally healthy in an unhealthy community? The level of thought that goes into social health needs to meet the level of thought that goes into medical training.

What’s Coming: Obersvations on “the predicament we’re in.” Then some notions about taking a next step.

Our system doesn’t work the way we want it to, so we don’t feel we’ve been as productive as we could have been. In organizations, great talent that goes unused and other who have “checked out.” So agencies suffer from a debilitating chronic, low-grade depression. Dept. of Admin building is the ultimate RI example. There’s no space for casual conversations. ((ED. “Make the hallways wider.)) Many for-profit companies understand the value of these interactions and facilitate them.

Obs. 1 - We live in structures and name the components. We use those names in the syntax of the structure, creating a grammar of creation. When the structure is non-functional, the grammar become non-functional. Approach: deconstruct the grammar in historical context. The grammar was created for another time, another society. We don’t need to be bound by that structure. Our conditions are different.

Pledged to self to explain the RI situation in historical context. Couldn’t be done from the inside, so he stepped out and wrote articles for Projo.

Every generation creates their own structures, physical and intellectual. Historically, RI legislature met on Benefit St. and in Newport. New State House built, but also the building now housing DOT. That was the first state government office building.

Question: How do we recreate government space in RI? All government space is oppressive and depressing.

Obs. 2 - Who believes the RI government is optimally functional? (Laughter.) DEM legislation - don’t think about the vertical regulations, but the horizontal connections. Vertical relationships are easier to talk about, so that’s our grammar. But value comes from horizontal connections. During cutbacks, that with the strongest statutory support will survive the best. Hence we are eliminating our best value.

RI ranks at the bottom of government effectiveness. And it’s always because of HOW we use the people in government. High-performing organizations are all about how you use your talent.

SO: We have non-functioning space, non-functioning structures and an antiquated grammar. How do we move forward.

– Discussion

Q: What is the role of legislation in this process?

KP: Laws create space in three ways: you must, you must not, you may. Last option allows for space that can be used creatively. Non-rules based thinking. 19th C thought of law as a way to release energy. Each corporation required separate charters, then general enabling law that release energy.

Q: Easy to see what’s not working, but we want to focus on what IS working. What do you see that’s working in RI or elsewhere?

KP: See great examples all the time. RI Keepspace, and now DEM is dedicating resources against that effort. So that’s RIH and DEM in horizontal connection.

Q: Laws could create space, but now laws seem to limit space. Your thoughts re: current fiscal crisis. Is there an opportunity for transformation?

KP: Our basic cultural metaphor has been mechanization, creating rules-based structures. Tayloristic thinking. In RI, the approach is always: When in doubt, create a new rule.

TG: Now with the draw down, there’s an opportunity to use the space more creatively.

KP: Quality of meeting space in state government is dismal. DOA conference room B is symbolic of the culture.

Q: Greeks concern w/growth of individual. Capitalism is precondition of democracy and wealth creation. How do we get back to that approach?

KP: Working on the paper on the importance of keeping economic top-of-mind in legislation.

Q: Perception - private can select talent, deselect non-talent. Government can’t do that very well. Or can it?

KP: Much more talent in government than is being used. Difference is that government is bad at respecting the talent people bring, and then improve on that. People with talent and energy get plugged into job descriptions, and pretty soon the light goes dim. Give them an opportunity to shine, and the light comes back on. System doesn’t promote churn or innovation.

Obs - Loyalty and longevity prevent innovation.

Obs - RI too broken to find many success models. We’ll have to look outside.

Obs - Premise of mechanics: get it right and then replicate. No need for adaptation. New Deal created structure of interests. Now we’re locked into an institutional structure that doesn’t let us compete or adapt. Structure so rigid it won’t even listen anymore. Mechanics requires that government “has the answers.” Private sector is now growing by asking questions. Accurate?
KP: Read John KG’s New Industrial State as an historical work. Mortality rate of governments is about zero, so churn is about zero. Agencies persist. So 1930’s structures persist, embedded mistakes have a very long lifespan.

Q: Disconnect - private state moving one direction, government standing still. As developer, you need to hire private 3rd parties to guide you through the system. What are the elements we can take forward, success models?

— How Do We Design a Future System?

KP Fear - RI government will become more corrupt, worse than it has been. Sources of corruption - misuse of position to create advantage - [Robert Burke? Sociologist -- bosses and machines arise when formal systems fail] by that definition, RI faces potential problems.

CVS - is the local ball team, they want to win in their home stadium (RI). So they work the system to get that win.

RI now cutting gov workers, so more work for those remaining. System slows down. How will people react to this slow down? Will they be tempted to do something inappropriate/illegal.

Constituent services - citizen mad because of ‘the system’ and they are told ‘go scream at the gov or legislator. They in turn lean on the agency to bring that problem to top of the pile. As we hollow out government, we are at great risk.

Q: Private sector uses visionary planning to achieve objectives over time. RI gov does not have this ability. Concept: Dual budgeting system — 1) authorize (governor/vision/strategy) and 2) appropriate (assembly/tactical) — based on objectives. A good idea?

KP: RI budget system is 82 years old, born 1926. Why do we have to live with this forever?

Q: What type of personality traits/characteristics are required to shift the current system?

KP: Multiple sets of talent required. Example of talent, but bad to work with: mindset is controlling and precise, does great at managing risk and keeping numbers. But, innovation and responsiveness were disaster. The issue is recognizing talent and then using it effectively.

Q: Follow up — what about leaders? What do they look like?

KP: Need leaders that are genuinely interested in the talent they have , not the systems.

Obs - Fundamental flaw - government works best when run by people who understand governance. Our system is about politics. Simile - politics: governance as lust: true love. System rewards politics over governance. Collapse is positive in that it could create groundswell.

KP: People change. As vocabularies change, people can learn the new language.

RL - Two references

Garreth Morgan - Images of Organizations: Metaphor rules

James Hillman - Kinds of Power

 

 

Comments from migrated blog:

  • Peter Simon // May 21, 2008 at 7:25 am

    actually, even though i agree with everything that Ken said, RI is known outside of the state as aplace of innovation, at least in the maternal and child health area. we have won Ford Foundation Awards for Innovations in Government and have been cited as having models achieving top performance in childhood vaccinations, childhood lead poisoning prevention, newborn screening, and more.
    Health Housing Collaboration and work with SmartGrowth is positioning us to help our policy makers look upstream for ways to better invest in infrastructure and reduce drivers of high levels of health care services utilization, one of the most misunderstood determinants of a sustainable economy. As long as RI’ers think that “health” comes from CVS, BCBS and LIFESPAN, we won’t be able to make the kind of investments that will get us walking to work, off the highways and out of the gridlock.

    peter

  •  Ken Payne // May 21, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Change often comes from the middle. The top is successful in the status quo, and the bottom is consumed by trying make it through each day–there are significant exceptions to this general pattern….however, however is it really reasonable to expect others to fashion the kind of government we want in RI?

    So if improving government is critical, can we be passive? Is our self-image that of being free riders on the efforts of others?

    I didn’t stimulate discussion on the 9th either to provide entertainment, a cool/fascinating morning, or to discourage action by presenting a gloomy picture of the status quo.

    Gosh, but we need to think things through regarding RI government, come up with a design that can be implemented, and get involved in a broader effort…. What are our alternatives?

    Do we, without being explicit about it, cling to the hope that when RI comes through the current economic down-turn somehow systems will just be better and more functional–deus ex machina? Will an invisible hand take care of things for us?

    Or has the time come for us collectively to put in an extraordinary effort?

    I encounter a lot of despair and anger in the community. I wonder can these feelings be converted be converted into constructive energy?

    What do others think?

  • Ken Payne // May 23, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Peter,
    Good things do happen in RI. In fact some exceptionally good things happen here.
    We’re not given much credit for them, and we don’t use them to build our overall sense of self-esteem. RI almost delights in having a negative self-image. Flagellation has a route to good health and a positive attitude about life….
    Worse yet, by not embracing the positive things that are done, we do not connect them very well and make them a basis for moving forward.
    There is a fair amount of latent good with which we can work.
    KP

  • Michelle Girasole // Jun 5, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Ken, Thank you for a wonderful session at Providence and Beyond. Your words have come back to me in the past few weeks many times, as I hear people in my town grumble about “the way things are” in RI.

    What sunk in for me is that change has to happen at the community level - not the federal or state government level - we put too much responsibility on our politicians to move mountains.

    If we can (as New Commons suggests we should/could) identify one or two areas that REALLY matter to us - as citizens, parents, business owners, etc - and then find a way to apply our individual talents, skills, passions. etc. to make just a small difference in this area. Imagine what a difference that would make collectively. Change can happen in the middle - at the community level. How refreshing.

    I’d love to hear more thoughts on this topic.

 

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